Session Start: Mon Mar 19 08:16:10 2012 Session Ident: #mt-confidential [08:16] * Now talking in #mt-confidential [08:16] * Topic is 'In Memory: Momo Gallagher (1997-2011) He was a good kitty and will be missed' [08:16] * Set by RayKremer!~raykremer@74.0.139.160 on Mon Oct 03 16:37:16 [08:16] * ChanServ sets mode: +o RayKremer [08:20] * pirokoro has joined #mt-confidential [08:20] * ChanServ sets mode: +o pirokoro [08:22] Hey guys [08:22] managed to survive the con [08:22] i need to be better prepped for the next one. [08:23] oh, and i really need to come up with a title for the Proximity project [08:24] suggestions, i think, might help. The thing is developed enough here that there has got to be an awesome title in there somewhere [08:26] hrm! [08:26] hey you [08:26] hey, any word on that Portal song thing? :) I think i could do a number of still frame drawings for it [08:27] and with some effort we could make a fun youtube vid around it [08:27] no status yet, i'll ask today. [08:27] thing is, i think its something that might appeal to people outside of both of our normal fanbases [08:37] * invisigothmt has coffee now [08:40] * invisigothmt will put his prodigious mental faculties to work on suggestions for a rename of Proximity :D [08:42] thank you :) [08:42] i need something that will stand out well enough to identify the story, when you hear the word it will make fans think of the story [08:42] proximity is actually too general of a word [08:43] the idea is that i want it to be something that if i am able to market the rights to this around, it will have a good name that will work and not be facing suggestions that we change it [08:56] heh, googled my first thoughts and of course it was already taken [08:56] * invisigothmt goes back to pondering [08:56] i almost think it would be some sort of term or phrase that can have multiple meanings - those are always best [08:56] something that gets at the heart of what the story is (or might be) about [09:00] MS: Mediated Synchronicity [09:01] Synchronicity is a Jungian concept about relationships [09:01] * invisigothmt keeps pondering [09:05] good titles are a pain [09:06] but feel free to toss out words [09:06] actually, here.. [09:07] screenshot of the titlework dumping ground where i tossed some of the ideas and words [09:07] http://www.megatokyo.com/scr33n/scr33n_2012-03-19_36406.png [09:07] Asynchronous Proximity [09:07] hmm [09:07] no [09:08] there is a lot of wordplay to be thought through, but in that process there's a good title somewhere [09:08] something playing off of Mediation [09:08] since the cloud or whatever mediates it all [09:08] and that's why Dow isn't "there" [09:13] * invisigothmt recalls that the original definition of cyberspace was a consensual hallucination [09:14] hallucinations are broadly speaking a perception of something that's not there [09:21] another word to consider is persona [09:23] the thing about this world is that the persona of the characters is mediated by the system [09:24] thus you have cats that arent' there but who are. girls who are there but aren't and various shades in between [09:27] ive been working on the idea that this is possible because the system 'predicts' things, much like the AI prediction stuff that games did when using modems [09:27] because the interactions are so real time [09:27] that the tiny gaps for communications and other quirks, the system makes up for it [09:28] you have an unseen character now that I think about it [09:28] and what the tweaks tend to be, they take advantage of this 'prediction' system [09:28] the system [09:28] sorta like this 'filling in the gaps' thing [09:28] like watching tv, the brain fills in the missing information, it makes assumptions [09:28] let's think of it this way, what would this system be called? [09:28] same sorta thing, its just the enviroment does it [09:28] i dont know yet :) [09:28] well working with what we have, that'd be a good title [09:29] just thinking more here [09:29] it's the enviroement that they all live in [09:33] Mediated Expert Synchronous Systems Integrating Augmented Humanity [09:33] MESSIAH [09:34] oh dear [09:34] :P [09:34] what are the terms for that 'gap filling' things that the human brain does? [09:35] * invisigothmt thinks [09:35] it's n the tip of my brain [09:40] ok, tweaked the comic, got it right now [09:40] screenshot... [09:40] http://www.megatokyo.com/scr33n/scr33n_2012-03-19_38424.png [09:40] much much better [09:41] how about "Blind Spots" [09:41] okay that's a good comic :D [09:42] hehe [09:42] much better and more on the ball flow there [09:42] miho just cant bring herself to say it, she wants to [09:43] and piro jumps in with his self depricating response [09:43] and it just pisses her off [09:43] she needs to smack him every time he does that :D [09:43] and oh, look, a seriously injured teenage boy on the floor [09:43] yep [09:43] it's not attractive [09:46] indeed [09:46] but in the play game scenarios here [09:46] i hope for more piroko to show [09:46] it did for a bit there [09:46] yuki suddenly grasps that miho is over there [09:46] yutaka doesnt understand english well, and even so, he has no concept that she's in there [09:55] ok, i have a non-hatched comic ready to post - but im gonna try to get the hatching done first [09:56] * invisigothmt nods [09:57] in other news, since EQ started the free to play system I've seen most server at near maximum capacity [09:57] heheh [09:57] thats good, i assume [09:57] so how do they support it if its free play? [09:58] they have a Marketplace where you buy various services and stuff [09:58] * invisigothmt spends more than he should and he's got paid accounts [09:59] there's limits on the free and Silver accounts, you can buy stuff that will allow you to get past those [09:59] unlaockers they call tehm [09:59] as well as other things [09:59] thats good. its actually a better system really [09:59] I have no idea how crowded it'll be once the Steam client launches [09:59] :P [09:59] you can play and if you get hooked and want more [09:59] you want to pay for it [09:59] yeah [09:59] oh lord [10:00] its gotta be nice to have a developed and experienced community tho [10:00] as opposed to a new game [10:00] yeah it is [10:00] those have got to be huge land grabs [10:00] and if you get a bunch of jackasses in there [10:00] it ruins the game for a lot of people [10:00] the new server they launched actually crashed and got bugged [10:01] heheh [10:01] yknow, sometime [10:01] i should walk out my idea for how Endgames would work, game wise [10:01] lul said he wanted to hear it too [10:01] since i really dont play any of these MMPORGs [10:01] i wonder if some of my ideas might be a little different [10:01] and interesting [10:02] oh! Neil Stephenson has a new book title REAMDE that you'd find interesting :D [10:02] lay it out and we cna talk about it [10:04] I mentioned it in #fredrin the other day about F2P [10:04] don't think that they understood what I meant about EQ having possibly the biggest game world ever and it keeps growing :P [10:05] * pirokoro nods [10:05] oh, sarah wants me to make a sprite game with those characters i did [10:05] the little MT sprites [10:05] it's almost essential that you have some sort of high speed transport in EQ [10:05] hehe [10:06] like a side scrolling game? [10:08] Instanced Actuality [10:09] * invisigothmt likes that [10:16] later today when traffic starts peaking I'm going to log my Guide onto one of the live servers and see what the zone count is like [10:27] So I went looking for what they call it when the brain fills in missing perceptual information. Turns out there's no clever word for it, it's just "filling in" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filling-in [10:27] ok, just gotta hatch 4 more frames, and its done [10:28] gotta go get jack first [10:28] http://www.megatokyo.com/scr33n/scr33n_2012-03-19_41264.png [10:28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craik-O%27Brien-Cornsweet_illusion <- link on that page, interesting quote there "[perception] accords not with the features of the retinal stimulus or the properties of the underlying objects, but with what the same or similar stimuli have typically signified in the past." [10:29] which took me to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion page [10:31] there may be something under cognitive neuroscience [10:31] interesting! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_constancy [10:35] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entoptic_phenomenon "Entoptic phenomena are visual effects whose source is within the eye itself." [10:36] of course the AR projections are not entoptic, but they are very close to it [10:40] depends on the tech actually [10:40] good words here also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_space [11:08] trick is, what do you call something that appears to be there but isn't, and yet is in no way not real. Terms like "mirage" and "illusion" presuppose the thing is entirely not real [11:17] i just figured out what im doing for 1337 [11:17] its gonna be a crazy, crazy largo adventure [11:17] just off the wall, in color too [11:17] and super long, like scroll down long [11:18] then at the end, we find that largo is entertaining kids who were displaced by the tsunami and quake. erika encourages him to tell another one [11:18] :) [11:18] hehe [11:18] hows that sound? [11:19] fun [11:19] it's like beavis and butthead working at the homeless shelter during Christmas! [11:20] it'd actually be a fun way to visit back to Largo in this chapter, what he and Erika have been up to [11:20] and it will be doubly l33t because he's actually doing something really awesome [11:20] in telling it [11:20] You know I'm liking this work Entoptic. here's another page's definition "Entoptic phenomena (or just entoptics) are visual sensations that occur in the human visual system itself without external stimuli." [11:21] And if you take a nontraditional view of the word you can pull multiple meanings [11:21] (i havent had time to readback yet - almost done hatching [11:22] Entopic? that is a new one for me [11:22] hm [11:22] One, all the perception crap that your eyes and brain make up. two, the AR system is literally beaming images into your eyeball, so they do take place there, even though that's stretching the definition. But I could see marketing people using that term that way, they abuse definitions a lot [11:23] oh yes, do read back when you get a chance, I had some interesting wikipedia wanderings [11:24] In fact if you said something like "entoptic proximity" then you are implying proximity that exists entirely in your visual field and not in your physical space, which is... exactly the case. [11:28] :) [11:41] that makes me want to portmanteau Entroptic. Degradation of order that occurs visibly with no apparent cause. [11:42] here, fred. this might tweak your brainspots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PUXrlpTkOA [11:44] entopic + proximity = entomity [11:45] sounds like intimacy [11:45] i don't think you can easily extract either word from that, though [11:45] true [11:50] heh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_in_Revelation_Space [11:50] "Entoptics another feature of abstraction technology and consist of various sensory layers added to, or substituted for, normal, unfiltered perception." [11:50] "These effects can either be created by a single person (e.g., the projection of the appearance of clothing, glowing tattoos, etc.) or an authority (e.g., public visual displays "projected" into mid-air without the use of any actual display devices)." [11:51] "Most of the characters in Reynolds' novels participate in this virtual environment through the use of neural implants, though some, especially after the advent of the Melding Plague, maintain access through goggles designed to tap into the local network." [11:51] "Though the term is usually limited to refer to visual effects, the abstraction layer can be used to create a wide range of sensory inputs, provided one has the appropriate implants." [11:53] But then we already knew the AR stuff wasn't the unique part of this new story, the unique part is the REASON it's used the way it is [12:04] Hey Fred, do Hyup's display glasses have the headphones built into the ear stems or does he use separate ear pieces like everyone else? [12:05] the headphones are actually neural - sorta like advanced coclear [12:05] presure conntact on the back of the ears [12:05] and hearing works fine [12:05] and it also can cancel out sounds too [12:06] for people with contacts, they get pads that stick there, usually not seen [12:06] interesting! [12:07] thats why when she pulls the glasses off, its so he can hear her too [12:08] ah, so they are built into the glasses, they just sit behind the ear like normal glasses though [12:09] yep [12:09] thats why its easy for him to log out, so to speak [12:09] glasses off, he's there [12:09] if you are wearing contacts, you gotta take the contacts out and remove the hearingpatches [12:23] if we have the sort of tech to do contacts that can actually do visuals, we should be able to do retinal displays [12:23] * invisigothmt agrees [12:26] This? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_retinal_display I assume that's exactly what they are. [12:33] no. that's displaying onto something outside your eye to simulate it [12:33] this would display directly to your retina [12:33] basically for the virtual stuff, you have to wear a helmet [12:35] "a display technology that draws a raster display (like a television) directly onto the retina of the eye." [12:37] yeah, not sure those are real-world usable yet [12:37] I don't think they are, no. They're working on it though [12:58] oh, can someone post to the forums? [12:58] i forgot [12:59] I was about to ask [12:59] :D [13:00] * invisigothmt waits for the forums to load [13:01] oh god what is going on here [13:05] so it isn't just me then? [13:10] no, not just you [13:10] system load is way up in the stratosphere [13:13] bouncing the apps to get stuff sorted [13:16] * RayKremer wonders if it's the same forum-slowdown I run into all the time or something different [13:17] it's good now [13:17] no, this was different [13:21] blah JaChan beat us to it! [13:23] i will make that disappear so you can do it [13:23] ok, do it [13:24] got it [13:51] http://www.megatokyo.com/scr33n/scr33n_2012-03-19_53447.png [13:53] hehehe [13:54] you see whats up there [13:54] yuki is giving Piroko a ride, showing her how to fly :P [13:54] inspiration background - Pink Floyd [13:54] 'learning to fly' [13:55] and HGttU [14:00] hehehe [14:00] now Pink Floyd in unMod is awesome [14:01] thank you :) [14:01] that particular album [14:01] a momentary lapse of reason [14:02] ~a restless eye across a weary room, a glazed look and i was on the road to ruin~~" [14:03] "and without a thought of the concsequence, i gave into my decadence~~" [14:03] heh [14:06] * invisigothmt snorts [14:06] yeha [14:06] :D [14:45] here is your pink floyd image of the day: http://i.imgur.com/v7VAF.jpg [14:45] jupiter, with its moon Io in front of it. [14:45] the bright red dot on Io is an erupting volcano, and the blue cloud is the eruption [15:06] nice :) [16:11] * chemiclord has joined #mt-confidential [16:11] * ChanServ sets mode: +o chemiclord [16:11] * chemiclord finds himself wanting to do a story showing how the Fey are SUPPOSED to be portrayed. [16:12] oh? [16:14] I'm finding myself compelled to write a story not about some winged Pixie who makes you fly... but some devious, malicious little bastard that makes you fly... right off a cliff and onto some sharp jagged rocks, all the while laughing about the stupid human who fell for his joke. [16:16] * chemiclord is in a cruel mood right now. Not sure why. [16:18] some where friendly house spirits. But yes, most were tricksters [16:19] elves, fairies, fey, pixies, bogarts, brownies, etc. [16:33] you...haven't seen the new SciFy series Lost Girl have you? [16:33] sure [16:34] to say the play fast and loose with mythological creatures would be charitable [16:34] heheh [16:35] if I recall correctly sucubus didn't kill grown people, just babies [16:35] If you poke around in the lore its never very clear just what they did [16:36] there are always half a dozen variations [16:36] actually they were responsible for 'wet dreams' [16:36] which would make for a much more comical sci fi series [16:37] Yeah they'd sneak into your bed while you slept and have sexy fun then leave [16:37] which may or may not have involved sucking life energy out of you [16:39] and may or may not have been followed by changing into an incubus and sneaking into some girl's bed and having sexy fun and getting her pregnant with your sperm because demon's can't reproduce on their own but for some reason the baby is a demon baby anyway. [16:42] Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder. [16:42] Elves are marvelous. They cause marvels. [16:42] Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies. [16:42] Elves are glamorous. They project glamour. [16:43] Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment. [16:43] Elves are terrific. They beget terror. [16:43] One of my favorite passages in literature ever. [16:44] hehe [16:46] EQ elves are my 3rd favorite race now [16:46] behind Frogloks and Drakkin [16:47] people these days only think of elves as that race Tolkien invented [16:47] I RP my half elf bard as an elvish supremacist :P [16:47] definitely not nice :D [16:48] thinks it's a shame that the gods didn't succeed in the "Iksar Solution" [17:02] * invisigothmt has quit IRC [17:30] you forgot [17:30] elf girls got big tittes [17:34] Only in anime. [17:34] And World of Warcraft... which doesn't count as anything. [17:51] * Invisigoth has arrived home once more Session Close: Mon Mar 19 18:05:28 2012